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Pr Mark Wilson : I am not sure if you have actually read the paper by Rogers that is the basis for this essay by Sean but it is simply making the point that we as a church have moved from the understanding of YEC that EG White espoused to a position where it seems perfectly acceptable because of science to understand the universe as very old. He raises the question that if we have because of science largely discarded the EG White view that is essentially the same as that of groups such as CMI and AIG then what do we do when the logic and science say that life is also old.
Sean makes a valiant defense of accepting the YLC position of old age of the earth but young age of life and denies any logic in thinking that the age Rolig Sex life should be subject to the same process that led to the move from YEC to YLC but you are absolutely correct in your implication that if we accept EG White as canonical we must follow the CMI position of YEC.
As you indicate Ted Wilson seems to be advancing that position in his adherence to the inerrancy and canonical nature of the Seans Luleå of EG White. It is a matter of a high view of scripture and EG White. Reading the article I really cannot see that it is advocating anything except observing the history and logic of the arguments within Adventism and asking well what will the church do with this logical inconsistency and scientific evidence?
He offers possible scenarios but I cannot see any advocacy for one of them. Seans Luleå seems that your experience with science at Avondale was not good. I am sorry that was the case but I think it probably does indicate that bible teaching rather than an academic degree in a Rumpbyxor institution should be the basis for ministry.
I am quite sure that understanding of the nuances of Greek, science philosophy or history required for a degree at Avondale are not useful for your work in Darwin and Katherine. I guess David Assherick and Arise have shown that effective evangelism does not require degrees or academic qualifications from government accredited institutions.
Sean Pitman : Why am I not surprised. An iconoclast like you, an expert in every field being told what to do. Your army record would be a fascinating read but I supposed would be censored if it is subject to freedom of information. You and an institution such as the army which relies on Seans Luleå semblance of a chain of command I think are not a great fit.
I am surprised why you event bothered. Yes of course I appreciate that there is an army and a police force and I pray for them just as Paul suggested but does that mean they are institutions to which Hanna R Hall Nude should belong.
There are occupations that Christians morally would feel inappropriate. Maybe you would disagree on all or some of them. EG White and the Adventist church once had a position on military service and moral position which was part of the teachings of Adventism. As a US based church we have now discarded these outmoded ideas influenced as they were by mthodists, quakers and anabaptists. I am sure you will tell me that I am reading EG White wrong and that she did believe in participation in holy war just as I am wrong in not seeing that she believed the earth to be billions of years old.
Bob Helm : I have cited Leonard Brands work already. His work on animal tracks in the coconino is fine but as I have pointed out he makes no claim in the literature about a global flood precipitated by a flood of a year or so despite what he may publish in the church press.
For some of the considerations I have indicated if he did he would not at all be considered geologically sound. Ariel Roth published proliferically in church publication and in Origins not indexed by pubmed or scopus as a peer reviewed publication and of which he was a long term editor and as history has shown its existence depended on his enthusiasm.
He has 6 peer reviewed publications from listed in Scopus. That means that a particular model can be shown to be false even if there is no other model with which to replace the current model. A false model is a false model.
Unfortunately it is nowhere near as simple as that as you would know if if you had bothered to try to understand science beyond your sectarian base. In summary however the theory suggests that a thesis such as quantum mechansisms, origin of life by evolution by common descent is surrounded by a group of agregated interrelated hypotheses.
These might include Darwinian natural selection. Nor have I offered the slightest reason to doubt that we and chimpanzees had relatively recent common ancestors. Nor I do suppose that the intentions of a designer, intelligent or otherwise, are among the causally sufficient conditions that good historical narratives would appeal to in order to explain why a certain kind of creature has the phenotypic traits it does saving, of course, cases like Granny and her zinnias.
Well, evolution happens; the Thomas Delauer Instagram that it does is overwhelming. I blush to have to say that so late in the day; but these are bitter times. The response to data that would falsify one of the hyptheses is to change that hypothesis to better account for the new fact without at all changing the original thesis. A recent review on evolution of cellular complexity by ratchet like mechansisms rather than selection also critiques Darwinian selection as the mechanism of generating complexity but does not question the well established rubric of evolution of cellular complexity.
Irremediable Complexity? Science Nov; This is the model of scientific advance you are confonting. Science could completely reject all darwinian mechanisms but the thesis of evolution would remain because of the absence of a better theory. Your approach of pointing out the problems you see with some aspect of the evolutionary model completely misses this point. You are approaching science and knowledge from the approach to truth you hear from the pulpit and from fundamentalists like Bob Ryan.
You cannot be a christian unless you believe in the literal creation. You cannot have a sabbath unless the literal creation is correct. There can be no second coming unless the creation is literally true. This is not the mindset outside the inclaves of fundamentalism. The pillar talk of people like this engender the idea that failure at a single point destroys the whole edifice.
This does not pass the test of realism. You cannot hope to change the scientific paradigm that is the thesis of evolution by pointing out even a multitude of errors or inconsistencies in the surrounding interrelated hypotheses without a compelling alternative core model. You have to provide both an overarching alternative to evolution as a thesis and to each of the surrounding interrelated hypotheses each of which provide support for Porn Club overall hypothesis.
I know you have taken the view that you can and must personally understand everything related to origins and have published critiques in all conceivably related fields.
This is all well and good but these have to be both credible and well informed in each field. This is incredible; minimal rate of nearly 2 Km per year! The constraints imposed on the model, a year earth history makes your task of credibility virtually impossible. You have a problem in that your core thesis that God created everything years ago was the dominant model some years ago but this has been tested and progressively rejected as untenable because of accumulating evidence for the alternative model over the last years.
It is extremely unlikely that this will ever be a scientific thesis although it will always remain as a faith statement which is outside the magesteria of science and hypothesis testing. People like Prof Kent seem to recognize this. Even given this caveat I do not read this review as supporting your contention of design on which it is completely silent. Unless of course you see in a Mandelbrot and all complexity the finger of God. If you had read the chicken defensin gene paper you would have an example of what I mean by messy.
Within this gene family a] Why are the introns of different length ie different? This does not to me seem the carefully ordered regular precise structure I would expect of intelligent design. If you suggest that we do not yet know but that all of this nonetheless reflect careful thought or that it reflects interference and corruption from the devil as David Read woudl suggest I would have to conclude that your ID concept is vaccuous has not explanatory value and is far from scientific.
In contrast the evolutionary model of common origin and ancestory has extraordinary explanatory and predictive value. It predicts that changes between species will reflect this history of origin by descent from common ancestors. I ask you to take any published analysis of a multigene family and ask the same questions.
Do they objectively support order and design or are they best accounted for by contingency and chance with a mere modicum of selection. Church employment is a privilege, not a basic human right. Does your rhetoric and claimed principle really Seans Luleå come down to concerns about administrative process and control of thought by economic leverage? Do you have no respect for education as a process that involves academic freedom?
Spanking Cartoon Art approach seems to be blind to the progressive history of Adventism. Adventist have no creed and what you believe about origins is not precisely what early adventists would believe.
Adventism has had a doctrine of creation like all christians. The idea that there has been a single standard of belief over the last years is naive. Are you advocating that what you believe now in including your belief on natural mechanisms of macroevolution as it is usually defined and the age of the earth is the gold standard manifests to me a huge amount of hubris and lack of perspective.
Have you not read the statement of fundamental beliefs and its preamble? What do you want to do. Sack people every time there is new perspective on mechanisms of creation? Do you have a purge your educational faculties with every change in administration?
Doesnt seem to have worked very well for ADRA. How about a little academic freedom and acknowledgment of the true standard. Recognition of a doctrine of creation rather than judging people by the nuances of some theory of creation. Yes we are all ignorant it is a question of whether we are able to admit it and concede expertise to those who manifest it.
I have never claimed to be brilliant, I simply try to practice my craft as honestly and consistently as I can and that means accepting the tradition and process of science as a window to understand the natural world and accepting the value and insight of both the Adventist tradition and the Christian faith as it has been practised by our spiritual fathers for years. I ask only that we practice charity rather than condemnation toward those who are trying to educate in science and in knowledge of God.
Thanks for that. Wise choice, that I knew given your intelligence you would make despite you vigorous defence of your near perfect pair Seans Luleå of origins.
We will pass over the assumption that there are no deleterious mutations and that you discriminate against animals with variant expression of FGF4 and consider it deleterious. Why the prejudice against short legs? Lets recap what we do agree on.
Lack of variation rather than deleterious mutation is the issue. This by definition is a genetic bottleneck. Any additional alleles has arisen subsequently as random or non-random mutations. Indeed Seans Luleå think it is the only logically consistent conclusion given your premises. I have great faith in your ability to reconcile these but I do not have the intellectual horsepower to do so except by invoking miracles. No Sean this is really the core of the differences between you and me.
It is not a matter of opinion but a matter of statistical probability.
Pr Mark Wilson : I am not sure if you have actually read the paper by Rogers that is the basis for this essay by Sean but it is simply making the point that we as a church have moved from the understanding of YEC that EG White espoused to a position where it seems perfectly acceptable because of science to understand the universe as very old. He raises the question that if we have because of science largely discarded the EG White view that is essentially the same as that of groups such as CMI and AIG then what do we do when the logic and science say that life is also old. Sean makes a valiant defense of accepting the YLC position of old age of the earth but young age of life and denies any logic in thinking that the age of life should be subject to the same process that led to the move from YEC to YLC but you are absolutely correct in your implication that if we accept EG White as canonical we must follow the CMI position of YEC.
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